What are some of the main differences you've noticed between the French and American cultures? Are the differences obvious, or more subtle? How did you come to notice them?
Hi,
I've just found this forum, and i've seen that there were not a lot of members wishing to talk about France and the USA, so I will add a comment hoping other answers will follow.
I am french (sorry if I make big mistakes when writting !) I am a 24 year old guy, I live in the centre of France, and I never went in the USA, but I think that there are a lot of cultural differences between the USA and France.
But I feel really interested in knowing what american people think about french (if some of you could give me answers it would be great !)
As french people are concern, they like american citizens, and I think that the american dream is still a reality, since a lot of students dream to go in the USA to improve their English of course, but also because the american culture attracts them for various reasons : it seems easier to find a job in the USA, people appear more open minded, more exentric... but exentricity (and even craziness french people often say "ils sont fous ces américains !" meaning "How crazy are these american people !" but in a friendly way) is sometimes percieved like a defect( I'm not sure about the word ) because we often hear that some americain do crazy things with their dogs for example ( they treat them like babies, or human beings), but we also often hear that americans are ready to sue somebody for anything and many other things that may let us think that americans are somewhat crazy. This may concern everyday life americans (that french people generally like), but it is quite different concernig politicians (as for example, french people did not really understand how americans could have re-elected their actual president !)
Furthermore, french people think that american politicians feel superior to the rest of the world, and then that they could do whatever they want, and it is something that french really think, and thus it make them dislike the american system which would like to control the world. And it even appears that american politicians and even citizens really don't like french people, culture and products (such as "foi gras", cheeses...)...
Here are some examples of what people think about the USA in France, if you want more informations please do not hesitate in asking me.
I would like now to know what american citizens think about french people.
And I am also wondering about what famous french actors or singers, or films.... do americans know, since in France there are a lot of american films, series, and singers that are known and liked.
If you could give me some answers it would be great, and I would give you more informations about what french people think about americans, and you could do the same with what americans think about french people, I really think that it could be interesting.
I am waiting impatiently for your answers !
Have a nice day (or night, I don't know what time it is in the USA know )
kind regards
Pat
Hi Pat,
I am 37, single, never married and have no children. I am a graphic designer. I work for an incredibility old and reputable advertising agency here in Los Angeles California.
Currently I am dating a French man who moved to the US 12 months ago and things are not going so well for us because of our cultural differences. I just don't understand him. I love him with my entire heart and our romance is wonderful, but I don't know why he gets angry with me. He doesn't stay angry for very long but still it hurts my feelings.
Besides other things, I think he feels that I lack manners because I try and take care of him by helping him cook and clean up after our romantic dinners alone at his house. He is a wonderful cook but I don't understand why he won't let me help out by slicing and dicing some vegetables or anything.
Wow, I don't know what it is like in France but here people have serious conversations over dinner. Apparently French people talk about less personal issues and won't ask you to change the subject if you are saying something they don’t want to listen to, but they will complain about it the next day. Here in the US we feel that it is best to be open and honest about our feelings, and not dwell on things that happened yesterday, therefore we discuss things at the time they are occurring.
Okay I'm done taking about my personal problems. To answer a few of your questions American's love your cheese and wine. Although, I have to say we do not watch your movies or listen to your music. Yes I have seen a few French movies and they seemed really depressing.
You have a lot to offer like your countrie's history, fine dinning and culture.
People are basically the same regardless from where they come from.
I hope all is well with you. I wish you the best life has to offer.
Marie
I'm Russian and I live in New York. Just one week ago I came from Paris. You city is amaising, very old, clean. I loved the weather. I was surprised that local people are barely speak English but then I understood -you don't need it. You have everything-culture, beautiful language, delicious food, Wine, clean metro. You don't depend on Americans. That is probably bothering us.
American people is different. We are always in rush. We can't have lunch for hours...
We have to run. That make our live is very stressful.
I like France. I would like to come back
Bonjour Pat!
I am an American woman and am currently dating a Frenchman from Brest. We see each other every four to five weeks and spend much time on the phone and online. He may be coming to the US to work soon and that will be wonderful.
So far as differences on the romantic front I have no complaints. Jordane is attentive, persistant, loving and sensitive. I am a few years older than him and the only person that expressed any concern was his mother but after we met all was well.
I would say that the language barrier is the largest issue but I am half French and have a Grandmother who is also Breton and she is thrilled and is working with me on my conversational French. Believe it or not I can read and write French better than speaking it! Tragic!
I should say that I find French men to be more intuitive, more implicit in their actions as opposed to the American up front manner. It is not bad to be that way but perhaps Jordane blends better with me because that is also how I am, not very "in your face", if you take my meaning.
I have heard the "French bashing" and the horrible myths. I can attest to the fact that they are unfounded and I always have a fabulous time while in France. Perhaps it is because I have a personal guide? I do not know. I do know that the moment I am off of the airplane men begin to flirt, it seems a national sport. Jordane always has to whisk me away from the advances of some stranger wanting to have coffee with me. *giggles*
So, I do not know if this answers your question but there is my impression. Friendly, romantic, sensitive and fun loving. This is my exprerience of French culture.
Susan
Merci beaucoup pour ton message ! (thanks a lot for your message!)
It is great to read what you've written about french men, and about french people. I think it is great that an american woman just talk about her experience of french culture, since some american have bad ideas (often wrong ideas) about french people.
Thanks a thousand times for your message, I am happy to see that some americans have a good opinion about french people even if they have to meet a french man or woman to understand that some horrible things that are sometimes said about french people are false.
I hope you will carry on writting on this forum. ;)
Thanks Susan.
Pat
Bonjour!
Awwwuu! Pat! Thank you!
I worry so about speaking the language correctly and have begun taking lesson here locally in Boston with Madame Chevalier. (www.learnfrenchinboston.com) I hope that I will learn quickly!
No, I do not see French people as being anything other than more patient, more culitivated. Not better than anyone else - I take everyone, no matter where there are from, as they are!
I do worry, very much, about Jordane's family, his mother in particular. They do profess to like me but as I am an American I wonder. I have heard the cruel stories that the "worst thing that can happen to a French man is a French salary and an American wife." Pffft! If this is true, I am doomed!
I do love him and would consider moving to Bretagne if things progress as they are. I just hope that I can learn and be accepted!
Thank you for your kind words and I will continue reading your blog and responding if you like.
Take care!
Susan
I am a SriLankan woman.I read all the comments about French vs American culture, and they are very interesting for me. I want to give my thanks to Pat because I learned many things by reading him and I got to know the answers for some of the questions I've had before. I have a friend in France and I know him since many years.We were penfriends before and now I don't feel so, with the help of the new technology we could keep in touch more closer and we had chances to meet each other.Everytime with him is so wonderful,enjoyable for my family. We had chances to taste the french food as he loved to prepare French meals for us. Until I read those letters I think of Frenchmen in my point of view,and now I have some ideas how other people think of French people.I feel him as a sincere, ploite, kind and optimistic person. I learned from him how to win the life as I failed myself sometimes. And he has a great respect for others.
I think the majority of the French people are sincere, polite and kind as I feel of my friend.
Once again I would like to give my thanks to you all..
Kind regards
GSR
Hi -
Interesting comments and insight. I am a female living in San Francisco where we have a lot of french people. To answer your questions, I think that for the most part Americans like french people (perceived as romantic, amazing food and wine) and sophisticated. However, they do have a reputation for being a bit arrogant and difficult. For example, they really tend to do things how they want to do them without caring what anyone else thinks (this can be both good and bad). Also, I have found many french men tend to have a somewhat inflated status of their 'sexiness' and can't seem to understand why any woman would not want them (they are French afterall). Of course, I am generalizing . . . but a few thoughts. Curious how French men view American women in the dating world.
Pat,
I think that the french are more commiting, and generous. I have a question, in France, is there any players? (guys who date and flirt with multiple girls, usually doesn't care about any one of the girls) There are A LOT of them here in America.
Hi,
Of course there are "players" but I think they might be less numerous than in the US, I don't know why, maybe a question of culture... But it's obvious that there are such guys in France just like in the USA, but I am also sure they are not so numerous here in France than in the USA.
I also think that there are such guys all over the world, it's quite a pity but I think it's reality !
Don't you think that there are also female players ? I am sure there are some in the US (I saw an american TV show called the "5thWheel"= certainly not the best one american people could do... and I won't make any other comments on this show= I am not especially interested in this kind of TV show, but I was searching an interesting to watch, and I saw this one and it interested me only because it was an american one and I wanted to see what american people watch on TV )
In this show some girls appear to be players too (that's why I amsaying that I am sure there are female players in the US, but I am aware there are some in France, but it is certainly less commun than in the USA, because sex is certainly a little bit more tabbou than in the USA.)
salut pat! je m'appelle kate et j'ai 18 ans. j'habite a colorado aux etats-units. je ne parle pas bien francais mais j'essaie :D j'aime bien ton message des gens americains. je suis d'accord avec vous sur tout que vous avez dit. je suis allee en france l'annee prochaine pour voir Paris, Marseille, et Nimes aussi! La france est le plus beau pays dans le monde a mon avis ;) toute la nourriture est delicieuse (l'escargots, le pain, le vin)! la mer et les fruits de la mer sont magnifique! quand beacoup d'americains pensent a la france, ils disent, "c'est la langue d'amour!" les filles croient que les hommes sont tres beau :D et les garcons pensent que les filles ont beacoup de poile haha mais elles sont tres belles! je connais kyo et edith piaf pour la musique francaise et c'est tout :) mais je suis sure qu'il y a beacoup d'artistes tres bien! j'ai vu les films La Vie en Rose, 8 Femmes, et 1 encore mais j'oublie le nom :( mais j'adore les gens francais, la culture, la nourriture, et le pays bien sur! merci pat!
Kate
I am not sure if I am the right person to answer your questions because I am not really a 'normal' american. I love the French culture, and take french classes at my univeristy. What I have noticed about American guys is that they often think the French are snobs and arrogant. I believe the reason for this opinion is because I think that the French hold much more value on being intelligent and sophisticated than Americans. My society is such a 'Now' society. Everyone wants instant gratifacation and spend large sums of money on material possessions. The French in general however, I find to be philosophical and put more value on 'se cultive' one's mind and value on knowledge. The French culture in general is less violent than the american culture and take better care of their bodies and american men unfortunealtely often see frenchmen as more feminin or less masculine for the lack of blood thirstiness and Burger king in the french culture. Also, france is very very liberal and america has tons on jesus freaks and republicans. Just think of it this way, it's not you, it's them. The french culture is a very good one in my point of view and you're absolutely right, there are some crazy americans here. My roommate doesn't believe that birth control should be legal and she says that access to birth control makes teenage girls loose with their morals. There are many americans who love the french, but they are usually more open and educated then the average american.
as for movies, it is my homework often for my classes to watch french films. my favorites are Amelie ofcourse, la vie en rose, la placard, le diner con, 8 femmes, paris je t'aime, queen margo, molier, ridicule, ect
my favorite music is by Carla bruni, olivia riz, raphael horoche, mc soliar, edith piaf, indochine
Bonjour Pat!
je suis contente que tu es intereste dans les Americains ;). moi, je suis une femme Americaine de 20 ans. Je peux parler un peu de francais, que je l'ai etudie depuis des ans, mais il y en a beaucoup qui peuvent pas parler francais, et alors ca fait des problemes, parce que la langue est la porte pour une autre culture. But I'll explain this topic further in my native language, English, since it is a bit easier for me and you seem to speak English at a higher level. It's very nice to know that the French in general like the American people.
I have been to France twice, and not once have I been met with unnecessary hostility by the French. In fact, the French really seemed to like me. But perhaps this is because I do something that those limited number of "snobby Americans tourists" have forgotten to do when visiting a foreign nation. I make sure that I pay respect to each and every person there, and I make the effort to adapt to the new culture with as little complaining as possible (though this part isn't hard for me because I love French culture!) I am well aware from some of my friends who are French natives that there are many rude American tourists that pass through there, turning their noses up at the thought of eating pate (excuse me that there are no accents marks, my keyboard doesn't have them! haha) or at the fact that most places in france do not have air-conditioning. But this is not how all Americans are. It is VERY difficult to state in just one or two words how the Americans feel about the French, because America is truly full of a variety of people. We've had many waves of immigration of different people with different cultural backgrounds. These differences have all mashed together to form a super culture and many subcultures below it. There are a variety of people within these sub-cultures, all ranging from ultra conservatives to ultra liberals. And within the liberals and conservatives there are those who are very educated, and those who are not. These all have an affect on how a certain people feel about another culture. In my opinion, it is education that can make a big difference in how people perceive a culture. I was very fortunate that during my early years of learning French I was taught by a native French teacher who made it very clear that the French do not hate the Americans, and that it was ok for us (the Americans) to become curious about other cultures, and try new things. However, in general, I think the Americans feel indifferent or positive about the French, though this is often combined with feelings of hesitation and lack of knowledge on where the French people are coming from, which can equal to ready acceptance of someone's negative opinions on the French only because people just haven't been taught about other cultures well enough. Though it is common to hear jokes about the French, but this usually occurs only when there are well broadcasted events that are occuring in France to the United States (such as the riots that occured a few years ago, or the elections, etc.) Americans are also so different because of the fact that we are so isolated from other cultures that we do not understand others from different countries or we become close minded and are unwilling to try new things.
But if you encounter an American, 9 times out of 10 they will most likely be friendly to you. I think the Americans are in general very friendly and are always willing to help out foreigners that step into the United States. But if you happen to encounter someone who is not friendly to you just because you are French, do not let this ruin your entire opinion on the American population. The country is still comprised of 30% "Bushies" (ils sont les personnes qui apuyent president Bush) and there is a chance you may run into a close minded person.
In general the Americans do not have a very good idea of what the current French movies are, or of many famous French actors and actresses. The only ones that some may recognize is Audrey Tautou, and maybe Gerard Depardieu. This is because there are not very many french movies that are shown in theaters in the United States. Why? I truly have no idea, though I wish they would show more international films. This is also the same for music.
if you have anymore questions don't hesitate to ask me ;) I hope that the French continue to feel kindly towards the Americans. Please don't allow the ignorance of a few to spoil the positive feelings felt towards the majority. I assure you that there will always be those who support and love the french in the United States. I hope I've answered some of your questions!
Amanda
WOW, thanks a lot Amanda for your message !!!
And congratulations you're french is very good !!! ;)
I am really pleased to read what you've written, because it makes a few days or week, that we hear negative feedbacks about France from the US ( just have a look on youtube (I know it's not a good reference but...) for examples and some comments made about french people, or about the olympic torch when it was in Paris and you will understant what I mean) I can assure you that some americans are really violent and rudes against french people on this website (youtube). I supposed it was certainly a minority but I was somewhat deceived by what I've could read on the internet.
What you've written about being in France for an american is really really interesting, since I agree with all what you've written, when visiting a foreign country the best thing to do is to "make the effort to adapt to the new culture", and the french in general are really attached to their culture that they do want to dissappear, or to look like the american culture with a french touch. They just really like their way of living and they don't like another country to come and impose its own standards. So, when you're in France, if you just try to open your mind to another way of living , of being maybe, you'll just won't have any problems at all, on the contrary, people will really be pleased to see that you're interested in the french culture and they will really take care of you, and be pleased to help you discovering France and its traditions.
I've never been to the US, but if one day I had the opportunity to go there I would really be happy to try to adapt to the american way of life just to try to see how your way of living is or not differnet from the french one. Behaving that way (adapting to one culture) is the best way to open one's mind to something new and different and to learn a lot about the culture of the foreign country you're visiting.
So,Amanda, I totally agree with all what you've written in your message, since I exactly think the same thing , and behaving in the way you described is true when visiting France, but I really think it's true when visiting any other nation on the world.
Another think that is really true since I experienced it a month ago, concerning some americans in France I just want to precise first that I know that I am about to write about a minority of amercian people, since I know some that are just great persons, so I do not at all generalize, since I really love american people and their culture, but as in France there are some persons that are not correct, but it is something universal, if you find a nation where everybody's polite and perfect just tell me, I'd like to visit it right away !)
So I wanted to write that when they are in France some american are just arrogant and rude about french people and culture (it's funny since they usually say that french ARE arrogant :) ) In fact, it sometimes seems that some tourists are just here for Paris, the Eiffel Tower, the museums.... but they really don't care about the people they meet, and they even don't talk to them except if it is a necessity. And at the end of their trip, just before they go back to the US, you ask them what they thing about what they've seen and this kind of stuff, and they just answer "well, the cultural aspects are great and interesting, but the people are really "cold" (Sorry i don't know if it is somehting correct in English to say that some people are cold meaning "distant" and even "arrogant") and unfriendly ". Could you know understand the ambiguity ? They dare not speaking to people, they are not interested in the french people and would even think it is not interesting to take care of them, so facing such people I assure you that even when you love the US and its inhabitants, it is not easy to keep cool and say that some french(a minority) are not right to think that americans are bad people.
And I think that this behaviour of some americans in France is certainly one of the reasons why some people do not feel comfortable when speaking about americans.
I won't write about all what you've written because I would always write "I totally agree" each time ! I am really happy to see an american girl being so much open minded and self-aware of the "differences" between France and the US, that's why when I've read your message I've thought "WOW, that's somebody who's got the same ideas or opinion or "study" about the differences between France and the US, and who just think the same way I would do if I were in a foreign country" !!!!!
So I can add nothing else than " THANKS A LOT AMANDA " !!!!!!!!!!!
A few words in french :
Merci beaucoup Amanda !! ça a été un réel plaisir de lire ton message, car je suis à 100% d'accord avec tout ce que tu as écris. J'avais exactement les même idées que toi concernant ce qui pouvait expliquer que certains américains aient des préjugés contre la France et les français.
J'espère vraiment que tu repasseras sur ce forum pour écrire d'autres messages, car tu sembles être une personne très intéressante et de très cultivée, et ton message est vraiment très très intéressant à lire !
Donc Merci beaucoup. ;)
Well, I hope you'll understand, but I think you will since your french is very good !!! ;)
It was a real real real real pleasure to read your very interesting message, I hope you'll write others !! I am eager to read what you could write about french and France !!
I hope to read you soon !!!
Take care
kind regards from France ;)
Pat
hey pat.
im an american teenager. im 15 and i personally love the france because the language, culture and, well, everything else about it.(i think people in my own country are kind of stupid) im sorry to say that the general thought by americans is that the french "suck"
i really dont understand whats not to like about france, or the french people
even looking through the perspective of american history, we wouldnt be here without france.
France aided us during our revolution.
so, as i said, most americans claim to hate france, but i love it, and i cant wait till i take my trip there next year.
Brian
Thanks for your message !
I am happy to read that 15 years teenagers could love France in the US !!
And I have to say that you're right when writing that without France and other european countries the american history would certainly be very different from what it is now, and I am pleased to see that some people are aware of this in the US, because from France we often hear some american people complaining about the fact that the US helped France during both World War and thus do not understand why France was against the war in Irak. It seems that because the US helped us during these two awful wars, we should then always agree with all what the US want us to do or to think, it is strange (and somewhat funny) when we know that France contributed in the "creation" of the US !!
Well, I hope you'll enjoy your trip in France, if you like history you will really enjoy your trip because in France history is in every town and village (about WW II, middle ages with great castles, 18th century......)
Really hope you'll have a great time here in France !
If you need more informations, or details or anything else just ask I'll really be pleased to answer you ;)
take care ;)
pat
Who knows if this site's still alive, but yeah, French culture exists in the US. The United States is made up of different nations, so to speak ... the Northeast, West Coast, the South, the Midwest, etc., so it's hard to think of the United States as having a single, unified opinion of anything.
But, the French fall into two camps: respected for their culture vs. hated for their culture. Then there are the people who can only think of wine, cheese, and that the French are the lovers of Europe! I grew up outside of New York City and live there currently; my mother and aunt lived in France during the 80s, and we have family friends there. It's not terribly uncommon for people who live on the coastal Northeast to have connections to Europe, but it's definitely much different elsewhere in the US thanks to isolation and distance over land (it's funny, people in the US hate the French the same way they hate people from the Northeast; they're both snobs, apparently).
French film, pop music, etc., is definitely known around here. But, from an American perspective, the French seem really intense about accents. A classmate in college had parents born in France and she told a story about her father, who was born and raised in France, who lost his authentic French accent after living in the US for so long. When he visited France, the French shunned him because of his accent. To an American that seems truly bizarre, but I know it's the case in Italy, too ... a girlfriend was from Italy and she recounted similar things happening when she visited there.
I guess the French are also seen as being really stuck up on traditional culture, like families eating at the dinner table at a certain hour, etc. Where I'm from that's pretty much the norm, and so is the politeness and courtesy that's expected on say ... public transportation, etc. The coastal Northeast is still kind-of connected to its European roots. The rest of the country, god knows what it's like over there, but it's probably much different. That's why it's hard to judge anything as being universally American.
I know that this post is sort of old but i was looking at the differences between American and French culture online and i came across this post. I know that there are a lot of ignorant Americans who don't favor the French, but personally i love the idea of the French life and the people. I have some sort insight into French culture because of my previous French teacher. She is very opinionated and had many stories to tell my class.
i think that in general the majority of Americans don't know French singers. And i am not so sure about French cinema. I love French films but most of my friends don't watch any foreign films. I think that Americans know famous French actors like Juliette Binoche.
I like the fact that the French take time to enjoy life. i feel that they have a lot more leisure time, between the short work weeks and long vacations. they take time to savor their food and talk to people.
Bonjour Pat. I'm an American teenager. I was born in New York but I am now living in the Southeastern region of the U.S. which is home to many prejudice and culturely ignorant Americans. I myself, am not your average everyday American teenager and I love France and the French culture. It really bothers me that because of my government, (Bush ect...) Americans are percieved as war hungry and uncultured (which in many cases tends to be true, unfortunately)I cannot stand how so many Americans feel superior to the rest of the world when in reality my country is backwards at least a hundred years because of stupid politicians. I have visited France once and I absolutely adored it! The food was amazing and the way of life was even more amazing. It appeares to me that Americans live to work while the French and other Europeans work only so they can live and enjoy life. Is this really so? Do the French really enjoy life as much as it seems they do?
I haven't seen as many French movies as I would like but I just recently saw La Vie En Rose, a movie about the life of Edith Piaf. She was a great singer with a very tragic life. I also know of other famous French singers and actors such as Charles Aznavour, Yves Montand, Bridgette Bourdoue, Catherine Denevue, Alain Delon, and Marion Colltiard.
Some Americans think that the French are snobby and stuck up but I didn't find that at all. Using the little French I can speak I was able to cummunicate fine and thought that the people were kind and helpful. I can understand why some French people don't particularly like Americans in general. An example of this, I witnessed at the Charles De Gualle airport in Paris...A rather obese American couple, adorned in sweat pants and flip flops, were so rude to this poor French airport attendent. They were apparently lost and were constanly complaining about how there weren't enough signs written in English (which I myself didn't find at all.) After they finally left the poor man alone I could have sworn he was cursing them in French...which sounded so funny to me never having heard a Frenchman curse before. Anyway I had a fantastic time in Paris and I plan to go back (perhaps permanately)
i am researching the differences between american and french culture- with special regard to cuisine. i found your article but i cannot view any of the posts in reply! HELP!!!??
hello,
I have seen that you (?) were interested in cultural differences between France and USA, and I'd like to answer you but the subject is rather vast, and it would be great if you could precise a little your question (or I will write too much about the subject :) and it might be too boring )
Another thing, that is quite important : are you french, american or english ?
Since I am french I could easily talk about french cuisine and give you a french point of view, but if you are french it won't interest you that much to have such a french point of view since you could have the same.
I would be happy to talk about this subject, since some differences are quite clear and others are not so obvious.
Kind regards
Pat
Hello!
I am an American girl in the USA. I will tell you a little of what i know.` Well from the people I know, if you say you're french people will say wow! really! and they probably want to know about you and ask you tell them something in french. Me, I am fascinated with french and France and french people so I really want to about french people. I don't think anyone here minds when the products have french writing in them. I actually try to understand it and read it.I don't think people really talk much about french since there isn't alot of french people here. But highschools and higher do have french classes. About Americans treating their dogs like babies is kid of true but not everyone is like that. It depends on the person. i'm curious, could you tell me more about what else french people think is crazy of us. Well that's all i know.
-Karen
Hello Karen,
When reading your answer I noticed that where you live people do not talk that much about french people, and it is surprising to notice that in France everybody seems to have an opinion about american citizens, even if there are not a lot of american people in the town and area where I live. But it seems to me that french people are constantly under the influence of the american culture since there are a lot of american films and series on TV, there are also Mcdonalds "restaurants" and US music on radio.... and this is a good way for french people to appreciate the american culture, but as we are sometimes over-flooded with all these american products, some people comes to think that the USA are a threat for the french culture. (that is sometimes a reason why some people have a bad opinion of the USA, since french people are generally really attached to their culture and do not really like when another culture pretends to impose some of its "aspects".)
Concerning what french people think is crazy of american people, I may add all the stupids world records that some people are ready to do just to be "famous" (I do not say that some french people do not do such things, but the USA seem to be the place which has the world record :) of people ready to do stupid things just for fame !)
In addition to this, american people seems to be eccentric person, since we have examples of people disguised in hotdogs just to make advertising, or we have recently seen a man in underwear playing the guitar in the streets of New-York or Los Angeles (I do not remember well) to make money and this would not be possible in France since this man would be arrested for indecent behaviour.
American people are thought to be much more eccentric than french people, meaning that they are ready to do anything in order to be seen, to attract attention while french people are educated in a different way, since french kids often hear : "tiens-toi correctement !" = "behave correctly" or "ne te fais pas remarquer" = "Do not attract attention on you !"
I have to stop here for today, since I no longer have time to write, and you are maybe fed-up with readig me and my Frenglish !!
So I stop here and wait for replies, and I will maybe carry-on later on if you are not too bored with my replies!!
Thanks a lot if you have succeeded in reading till the end :)
To finish, I just wanted to say that when I talk about french or amrican people I just refer to some groups of people, and not to all american or to all french people since I am well aware that everybody do not have the same opinion concerning the same subject, and do not thing that I express or only express my opinion too, it is just a very general description of some thought, idea and opinions.
Here it is truly the END
Bye ;)
Pat
Hi! It's Karen again.
I like reading about what you have to say.I wonder why so much of the world is influenced by American culture.I just don't understand why people in france would blame the USA. Isn't it the government or whoever is in charge of allowing american things in France responsible?
The hot dog thing is true, but i guess growing up here with all the customs seems normal and it doesn't seem bad to us. I think if i saw a man in a hotdog suit I would just think its funny. Then the man in the underwear, that's just innapropriate.
I guess that many people here do want attention or fame, but doesn't every country have people like that?
Well nice talking to you,
Karen
Hi!
Concerning the fact that a lot of countries are influenced by american culture, I think that the main reason why this culture is present all over the world is just a matter of business and money ! Indeed, the USA are the most powerfull country in the world, and it is seen as a chance if an american company is interested in your country to settle new firms and thus encrease the benefits your country can get from these new firms. This is why a lot of governments cannot (or dare not) say(ing) "no" to the USA government (and to all the products they want to sell : Mcdonalds, TV film....) Indded, just take for example what happened with France concerning the war in Irak, when the french government said it was against this war, the USA just kept on reminding us (french people)that they helped us during world war II. It is true that this help was necessary and welcomed (and we still thank americans for this help :) ) but is it a sufficient reason for us to always agree with the USA government ? And it appeared that the USA did not accept and understand this refusal to have the same point of view, and as a result they started making fun of France through some TV show, they stopped importing some french products.... this is the solution they found to make France understand that it did not behave correctly (with having a different point of view : who would accept that the difference of point of view is a kind of threat ?)So, the US government took economic sanctions against France. This is why I think that the fact that the american culture is spreading all over the world is just a matter of economic interests (even if I agree that a lot of people like what the US culture gives them ) I think that it is impossible for a country which wants to have some importance at an international point of view, to forbid this pieces of the US culture. Thus I think that money and business ( and business strategies) are the main reasons why the US culture spread all over the world, since the USA are the "1st economic power" (I don't know if it is correctly written in English ?! sorry !) of the world, and it can be resumed that way, with imaginnig the US government saying to a country wishing to develop "If you want to develop accept our goods and trade contracts, and we will help you. If you do not accept you will never succeed in developping". I do not think that this rapid sum-up is far from reality. And I think that the USA want its culture to develop all around the world to make the biggest amount of benefits it is possible to make, and the other countries which, maybe, do not have this capacity just have to accept this situation which nevertheless has its limits.
Here is my point of view about the reasons why the american culture influences a lot of countries in the world. There are certainly other reasons than economic one (it is obvious) but I cannot develop all of them (I would need several pages ! :) ) but I think that it is the main one. This is just my point of view of french man living out of the USA = an eye seeing the USA from abroad...maybe in a wrong way (not so sure it is the wrong way..)but just tell me what you think about this, since it is a great pleasure to talk to you !!!!!
Bye
have a nice day/evening/night.....
Pat. ;)
Hello!
Your english is really good.
I see now some of the reasons other countries would accept American things. I think that if France doesn't agree with the war, they have the right to not participate in it. But they would have to make an agreement so that France would return the favor. Well actually i'm undecided because I don't know enough about world war II.
I think each country should have their own culture and have a little of other countries but not too much because then it's own culture starts to get lost. I guess the government or the people who do business for America shouldn't be all about money or benefits.
BUT the good news is that the common regular people here are not like those people. And the people around me never say things about the French nor have I ever heard an insult to French people. We welcome French people and French products. But i can't speak for all of America since I don't know what everyone thinks.
Just curious, Have you ever visited the U.S.?
-Karen
Hi Karen,
To answer your question : no, I have never visited the US , I am not rich enough :) I am still a student at university (and thus I do not have enough money to go to the US !But I hope to go and visit the US in the future.) but I "know" more or less some aspects of the US culture, and the US in a more general point of view, since I study anglo-saxons countries and cultures (language, literature, history, politics...) And what about you, have you ever visited France? It is a pity that we cannot put photos on this forum, since we could have shared photos of your countries, as well as of the place where we live !
"I guess the government or the people who do business for America shouldn't be all about money or benefits." I agree with you, but the reality tends to prove that only money and benefits are important nowadays. This is somethings that french people often associate with the US. Indeed, a lot of french people think that US big firms and citizens are ready to do anything for money and benefits, it is another stereotype french people have on the US. It seems that in the US there are no limits when business and money are concerned. Every possible way to earn a lot of money, or make as much benefits as possible seems to be allowed, while in France some would be forbidden or strictly controled to avoid abuses, and to protect the workers and their rights.
It can sometimes appear that the US government or big firms would prefer benefits rather than respecting the rights of their employees.
Money is more or less a taboo in France. Indeed, it is not well percieved for example to publicly say how much you earn-if you earn quite a lot of money-since you would be seen as a pretentious person who would like to make people be aware of the social differences (so that the people in front of this person would feel inferior) and of the fact that some people earn a lot while other are not that way lucky. This is maybe due to the fact that in France people are really concerned with the word "equality" as in the french motto :
"Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité " = Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood.
To carry on the fact that make french people think that americans are (sometimes) crazy, I want to add plastic surgery. Indeed, there are a lot of examples of american people using plastic surgery to look younger, while they just look more unnatural and awfull ! (that's just my point of view !) Just take the example of Mickael Jackson !! Is he not now a kind of alien coming from another planet ?! :)
Plastic surgery can be great for some people, but in the US some people seem to abuse of it, and the results are just......awfull and frightening ! Don't you think so?
Here is the end of my writing today, another big one ... next time I will maybe deal with more positive aspects, because i have just talked about some more or less "negative" (and sometimes funny) things, but french people really like the US and its inhabitants for various reasons.
and what about you ? what do you think about french people, France, its customs...? Just tell me how do you imagine this country and its inhabitants, I am sure you have some idea, or stereotypes (good or/and bad ), it would really be a pleasure for me to read what you have to say about my country.
I'm really happy to talk with you !!
kind regards
Pat.
Bonjour, comment allez vous? Je vais bien, et vous?
I am teaching myself French and my friend from Lebanon is helping me because she knows french.
Since I am hispanic-american et je sains angais et espagnol,It becomes something not so difficult for me to learn.
I am not rich either. I wish I could got to France but my parents don't have money to travel right now. But I know we will got to Montreal sometime because we want to find my lost uncle. But I will go to France someday.
Maybe for pictures, i'll make a website and put pictures that i took of the streets,freeway, and metro rail. I'll try to do that this weekend.
Well about countries thinking that the U.S.A is about money, I think it's sad but possibly true. It's so awesome that in France people don't try to make others inferior to them by not saying your salary. Here people do but it it doesn't happen all the time. Mostly people will tell you only if you ask. Unless if that person is arrogant and they want to tell everyone.
Ah, plastic surgery.
Yes, some people abuse it terribly and end up looking real ugly. Michael Jackson for example,looked so much better before the surgery now he looks like an alien or a weird creature. Is it possible many American people use it more here because they have more money? Or they have the desire for plastic surgery more than other countries?
i would just like to let you know that celebrities and rich people are what people from other countries see, but that's not what the regular people here are like. Most working middle class people here don't get plastic surgery or brag about their money or anything like what you see from celebrities because you would just not have the money for it.Some people here do wear brand clothes and stuff if you have the money but not everyone.
I really don't know what to think about French people since I have only met one. He worked at an auto body shop and was from Paris. I only got to talk to him for once when he asked me something in French and I just said c'est trop vite! It was hard for me to talk to because i was too shy to say anything to him but I felt mad because he didn't have any interest in talking to me.He wouldn't even look at me for a second.I don't think French people are like that. It was just the way he is.
I rented a video that was filmed in France to teach French and I kind of saw how people are like: They were extremely polite and said thank you to everyone even the cashiers.People were willing to help in directions and other stuff. It showed French people as very nice.also in pictures from books that that teach french, the french people look really happy. Other than that, I don't know anything else about the French, i'm sorry. I think it's because i haven't met enugh french people and television here barely ever talks about France. Except that Salma Hayek is getting married to a french man named Francois. It could also be that I still have many years left to meet people and possibly french people.
You know, I'm going to ask my teachers and my clasmates if they have any opinions about the French.
Au revoir,
Karen.
Hi Karen !
It is a great pleasure to read you! I am really pleased to read a few french words in your last message! (your french seems to be very good !)
You say you are teaching french : it is great, if ever you need help or information about something concerning french do not hesitate to ask me, I would be really happy to help you ;)
Concerning what you said about the fact that in France (and other foreign countries) we only see rich people and celebrities from the US, it is true but we know that they do not represent all american citzens. I am well aware that the US are not a country full of rich people and celebrities. I know that there are "ordinary" people, but I talked about the rich and celebrities, just to point out the fact that these people, who can use plastic surgery (for example),often abuse of it, and thus they look ridiculous and that is what french people think when they see them, but we are well aware that they do not at all represent each and every US inhabitant (fortunatly !!)
I imagine that "ordinary" people are quite like french ordinary ones.
Concerning the way french people generally sees americans, I may add something that you could often hear in France when somebody wants to make fun of US people and it has something to do with foods since a lot of french people, if they were asked to make a caricature of an american woman or man, would say (or draw) that american people are fat because they do not eat correctly (too much hamburgers!) But, as I have just said, it is a caricatural vision of US inhabitants (meaning that we know that all americans are not fat, and do not constantly eat hamburgers, of course !! :) )
How do american people would make a caricature of french people ?
I think I've got the answer : bread, beret, mustache, accordion ! Is it true ? I think it is since we often see US or UK caricatures of french people corresponding to these 4 words.
I have read in your last message that you find that french people are polite. It is true, since people think it is very important to say "bonjour, au revoir, merci ....". You could often meet a mother with her child in a bakery buying bread (for example a typical caricature :) ) and the mother will ask her child to take the bread , and if her kid does not say "thank you" the mother would tell him/her : "et qu'est ce que tu dis à la dame/au monsieur ?" = "what should you tell now to the baker ?" and normally the child would answer "Merci", and then the Baker and the mother would exchange smiles. This is a situation that frequently takes place.
Just an advice : if one day you go in France, people would really be pleased if you tell them "bonjour, merci, au revoir...", even if you do not speak french except these words they will be happy, since they will consider that you are polite first, that you try to make efforts to speak french, and then (for french people) it shows some sort of respect. So, learn these french words first and you will be easily accepted and people will try to make efforts to understand you, to help you.... Be carefull, I do not say that if you do not use these words people would be unfriendly with you, but they can help them to be friendlier.
I am sure that americans are polite too, but maybe they do not think these words to be so important. For french people they correspond to a kind of respect you show to the person who is in front of you.
I have seen that you wanted to ask you clasmates and teachers, what they think about french people, it is a great idea, but do not feel obliged to do it for me! I would feel guilty to "oblige" you to do this (I have read that you are shy, but it may be just to speak french but if you are really shy I would really feel ill at ease)just because I often ask you to tell me what american people think about french.
For the photos it is a great idea to make a website, I will maybe do the same if I have time, because I think it is interesting to share some pictures of our countries because they could show some cultural differences (since we are in the topic "cultural differences"), but simply it is interesting to see how the US really look like (and the same for you concerning France, even if I know that these pictures will show just a town or a more or less big area of each country, and not the whole country with all its specificities and differences)
Have a nice week-end !
Kind regards
Pat
Bonjour ou Bon soir!
Merci pour saying that mon francais est bon
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Actually, I'm learning french.I think i'm doing well in learning to write but i need help in pronounciation. I don't know if you could really help me in that. but it's okay.
Well it's nice to know French people don't think all American people are like the celebrities.That's a relief. It's funny how french would draw a fat person eating hamburgers. It makes me laugh. Well I really don't know much at all about french people but i have a vague idea of a caricature of a french person. It would be just like you described it.
It's so cool that french people are polite because well people aren't like that here to strangers.Like if you went to the supermarket and you were at the cashier your parents wouldn't make you say thank you and most adults don't either. Quite a difference.
No it was no problem at all fro me to as my teacher and classmates. I asked only a few and this is what they said:
-my friend said she doesn't know anything about french people.
-my other friend said she was once at the airport in france and the lady was very polite.
-my teacher said she had been to france and she also said they were polite. I also told her what you had said french people think of us and she said that well french people work less hours than U.S. people do, that's why we have a stronger economy.She said she had heard the stereotype of french people being snobby but she didn't say she thought they were that way.
-my other teacher didn't look like she wanted answer whether she had an opinion of french people so I told her why I was asking her that and she said heard stereotypes about them and unfortunately, I can't remember the rest.
So, from the people I asked, no one really had an opinion about them or really knows much about them.
the website is www.american-french,mysite.com
Hi Pat,
I've been reading the posts on this topic because I too have been curious as to the French opinion of Americans. I am 23 years old, and I live in Dallas, Texas. I am traveling to London and Paris this August and wanted to know how the French percieved the American people. I agree with Karen's comments in that I believe the majority of the world believes that Americans are exactly like what the see in American Films and T.V. Most Americans have a great respect for French culture and look in awe at the architectual masterpieces, philosphers and artists that have come from France. I took classes in both high school and college that had a great deal of focus on Descartes, Rousseau, and Voltaire.
While I was in high school we had a French foriegn exchange student named Violette. I'd have to say that the fact she was French made her one of the most popular people at our school. Americans as a whole are very fascinated and interested by European cultures. Everyone wanted to know what it was like to grow up and live in France, French customs, etc., and what the French thought of the American people. I believe what bothered her the most about American culture was gun-ownership. Remember that this is Texas, and Texas prides itself in liberal gun policy. I had to point out to her that this was not what it was like in the rest of the United States. For example- in several states and cities like New York City and Massachusets, it is very difficult to get permission to obtain a firearm. I would elaborate more but I am trying to be consise so you do not get bored reading all this.
My point being that the political viewpoints and social atmosphere differ greatly depending on the geographic region of the United States. There are, however, a few cultural aspects of the American people that tend to be present throughout the greater whole of the United States. In the words of your newly-elected president: "Americans don’t ask about the diplomas or social origins of someone who comes up with a new idea; they just ask whether the idea is good or not. Past failures, if they’re honorable ones, should be seen as an opportunity to learn, and not as a stain on one’s reputation.” American culture holds people who have extreme drive and motivation in the highest regard. In America, if you want something badly enough (admission to a certain college, a job, opportuinity, business venture) then we believe you must work your absolute hardest to attempt to achieve this(moral and ethical restrictions do apply). We believe that to do anything less is to fail yourself.
I know I wrote alot and I deleted several sentences that I hope to elaborate on in this future. I am curious to know more about your opinions of us! I look foward to hearing your reply.
Yes I agree with you Chris, if a french person was in a class with other american people she would be very popular. Because she's from a different country and because people here do like Europe and many people dream of traveling to Europe. also tehy would want her to tell them some things in French or tell tehm what france is like. I know I would want to be her friend to know what she is like as a french person and get to know what her french customs are. May I ask, what was she like? friendly? different customs? did they ask her about France?
:) Karen
i am a senior in high school and i am currently working on a research paper that is dealing with french/american relations. thank you to both pat and karen for posting your opinions on your own countries. it was very interesting and helpful to read.
one thing i wanted to add, pat, in your first post you asked what french music and movies we know of, my favorites are amelie, the triplets of belleville, and yann tiersen. i am not sure if you know of these, but i like them a lot. :)
Hi, everybody !
Thanks a lot Karen for your website, the photos are really great ! It is a real pleasure to discover some parts of the US, but I have noticed that you may live in a big city since you've got a free way, big buildings.... you will maybe be deceived when I will send you photos because I do not live in a big town, since there are just around 4000 inhabitants in the town where I live (it is not yet Paris :) ). As I told you I will create a website too with some photos of the place where I live, but the problem is that the weather is really bad (cold and rain) so the photos won't be great, but as soon as the sun will be back I'll take photos (even if I am not a very good photographer ! ) I had some photos of my town under the snow and with Christmas lightings but they were just on my computer (I had not saved them) and I've got a problem with my computer last month and I've lost all these photos :(
I want to thank you for having asked your teachers and classmates about what they think of french people and France.
It is quite strange to see that american people do not have a clear point of view about french people, while everybody in France has its own opinion about american citizens (be it good or not).
Politeness is thus something that attracts american people's attention concerning french people : it is great because it is not a defect that they remember when they talk about french people, and it is something surprising for me, because in France, a lot of people think that US people just consider themselves better than a "poor" french man/woman. In France, a lot of people think that americans like France (foods, landscapes...) but not the french. This is maybe because of english (UK) people, since they often make fun of France and french people (and french people often do the same with british )and as a result some people imagine that US people think in the same way as british people (this is maybe an explanation ) So, in France we often think that some countries such as UK or the United States do not really like French people, because they see us just as aliens or strange people, while most french people really like these countries and their culture(they are a kind of example and a lot of people are attracted by the US). It is thus a real pleasure (and a relief!)to read what you've written Chris123 about how people percieve the french culture !
Chris123, I've seen that you will go to Paris and London this summer, it is great ! Paris is really a beautifull town, I've been there once and I liked it (especially at night). Just avoid some suburbs that are famous for young people being violent (but it is the case in every big town in the world, I think). Nonetheless, if you are interesting in cultural differences betwenn the US and France, you could go in smaller french towns, and you will noticed some differences within France betwenn big towns such as Paris and smaller towns (where I think people are friendlier).I hope you will tell us in this forum, how you found french people and France.
You talked about guns in your message, and it is true that in France we do not understand that it can be so easy to find a weapon in the US. This may also correspond to a stereotype (another one) we have on the US, since some people are afraid to go to the US because they fear to be shot dead by a crazy man, walking in the streets with a weapon.We often see on the tv news examples of kid, teenager or students, going at scholl with the weapon of their parents and killing their friends. (this happened quite recently in a US university, but I don't remember its name)As you said, it is maybe not that way easy to find a gun everywhere in the US but you just have to travel and go in another state to come back home with your weapon. But it is true that french people think it is very easy to buy a weapon in the US and that anybody could have one.
I will stop here, because I write a lot too !!!!!!! But I think it is really interesting to share our points of view of American and french citizens, since they are often quite different.
Concerning the singers and films you talked about in your message "anonymous", I know well Yann Tiersen, I have heard about "The Triplets of Belleville", but I wonder about Amelie : I do not know a singer called Amélie, but I know a film "Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain", and the title in english is maybe just "Amélie".
It is great if our talk could help you in your research paper (I am making one too but on Shakespeare, and I know that it is great to find some help or documents, so if ever you need help, or info or anything else do not hesitate to ask me, I'll be pleased to help you ;)
Here I stop, I write more and more, and it is in an unperfect english, maybe boring to read (Karen is used reading me, and told me it was not that way bad = thanks Karen)
Thanks to have read till the end ;) !!!!!!!
Next time I won't write so long a message !!! (promised!)
Bye everybody, it is a great pleasure to read you all, and once again thanks a lot for the photos Karen !!
à bientôt ;)
Pat
Wow, I really enjoy listening to what all of you have to say. Pat, if it's long, that's okay, i like reading all of it.:)
Yes, I live in a city, but not as big as Los Angeles. Where you live are there freeways,and big buildings?
Votre anglais est tres bien(Your english is really good). Anyone would think an american wrote it. Except, this was the only imperfect english.
(Karen is used reading me, and told me it was not that way bad = thanks Karen)
I will add,probably later, more pictures of people and more things. I would be extremely happy to see some pictures of France especially in snow.Here, in the city where I live, it never snows. You would have to go to the mountains to find snow. I've only been to the snow once so you're very fortunate if you live where it snows.
When I go to France, I'll be sure go to Paris and smaller cities around.
Sorry I don't know alot about french people, it would help if t.v. stations here showed more about the rest of the world. But they seem to be people who really enjoy life. i think everyone here thinks the same.The only thing i can think of is that some people say french people don't shower everyday. is that true? and I think that's okay because that's their custom. right?
If they don't shower, do they smell? or is it not noticed because everyone's used to it?
I hope this doesn't offend french people in anyway.
About the stereotype of being shot by a crazy man, that is something that like in any country,it happens but mostly the U.S.is a safe plece like any other country.You could live here your whole life and not ever be in danger of getting shot. It's mostly rare that that would happen unless you live in a dangerous community.
Sorry, I haven't seen any french movies BUT I'm thinking about seeing a movie called Paris, Je t'aime. First I nedd to see what it's about. But also, I might see if i see "Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain". I mostly don't know about these because I haven't seen the ads on television for it. Here if you turn on the tv, most commercials and ads are about American movies and products.
May I ask, is Pat short for your name or a nickname? Is it a common name in France? Here, Pat is a name.
Also, I watched on t.v. the The French Open tennis competition in Paris. I saw some of the match between Montanes and Nadal.
De rien. pour les images, I was glad to help you see a bit of what it looks like here.
How's my French? okay?
Bon Soir,
Karen :)
Hi, Karen !
Your French is perfect !!! (except maybe the fact that bonsoir is 1 word and not two, but it is not a big mistake;) )
I thank you once again for telling me my english is good, since sometimes I doubt about some sentences or words (For example : should I use "for or to or about " after a given verb = such as to think about, opposite to... Generally I know it well but I sometimes doubt, I don't know why :) )
Concerning my name, Pat is short for Patrice (a quite common name in France) Patrice is the french for Patrick, but in France you will find some people called Patrice, and others Patrick.
The question of names is quite interesting concerning cultural differences, since the names used in the US are quite different from those used in France. Indeed, here are examples of names you could find in France :
.for males : Jean, Pierre,Jacques, Luc, Jean-Pierre, Jean-Paul, Jean-Luc, Jean-Jacques,Matthieu,Antoine,Nicolas,David,Sébastien,Léo,Frédéric,Nicolas,Grégorie,Théo,Laurent, Paul,Luca,Damien,Georges,Christophe, Christian,Louis, Thomas, Julien, Benjamin,Cyril.....
.for females :Marie,Catherine,Noémie,Manon,Marion,Nathalie,Sylvie,Sandrine,Nicole Evelyne, Ludivine, Laura, Emmanuelle, Simone, Coralie, Delphine, Gaëlle, Stéphanie, Aurore, Audrey, Vanessa, Julie, Aurélie, Océane, Léa,Elsa,Elisa, Marianne, Anne, Martine,Elodie.....
Here are some names used in France. What are the names used in the US ? I am sure I know the most frequently used (thanks to TV film from the US) but there are some that are maybe less known.
Concerning first names, people tends to give more and more anglosaxon names to their child in France (certainly because they hear these names on TV and they found these names great and decide to give it to their child.)
Concerning family names, you could find : Dupont, Martin and Durand are the most famous (concerning France of course), but there is a big variety of family names.
In the US what are the most frequent family names ?
Concerning the fact that french people do not shower everyday, it is false !!! Indeed, french people DO wash everyday !!!! It is absolutly not a custom !!! There might be some exceptions but I do not know them, and they maybe live in a desertic place where there is not water (if it is possible to find one)!!! I really do not know why people living out of France think that french people do not shower, if you know it tell me please.
Concerning the photos in snow, I could not put them on the web since as I told you I've got a problem with my computer and I lost them :(. But I could probably find one or two on the net (so not mine) and I'll try to put them on the website i'll make.
And to answer you, in my town there is no freeways (the nearest freeway is at about 25km) and no big buildings ! But there are medieval castels, a dam with a big lake, and other monuments i'll show you soon through the photos.
Concerning cultural differences,I think it could be interesting to talk about school, or work ,since you seem to say that french people work less than americans (maybe true : a french person works 35/39hours a week, and has 5 weeks of holidays + 11 days (I may check I think it is 10 or 11)corresponding to important dates of the french history or religious feasts such as christmas.
Is it the same for an american citizen ?
Next time i'll deal with school and work if you are interested in these two subjects.
Have a nice day/evening or night
à bientôt mademoiselle
Pat
Bonjour! I have a question for Pat19. I'd like to know how the French handle dating and relationships. The reason I ask is because I've been dating a Frenchman for the past two months and I've noticed a lot of cultural differences in how we go about dating. Things have been going great and it seems that we're in a "relationship" but nothing is official. Do the French assume that because a couple goes out on a few dates that they're together? Is there some sort of verbal agreement that's made before a relationship is official, like we do in the US? One of the things that shocked me was that my French "friend" found it strange that I had only been intimate with a few guys. Are French women loose? Are infidelity and open-relationships common in France? I've tried talking to him about these sort of things but he thought it was too early to discuss a relationship yet we act like we're in a relationship already by American standards. I don't know what to expect or to make of our dates or relationship. I'd really appreciate a response from anyone that knows anything about the matter! Merci beaucoup!
Hi, Dia84
I am not really a specialist in love affairs, but I will try to answer you.
First,infidelity and open-relationships are not common in France, it is just like in the USA. I think that the fact that he found strange that you had only been intimate with a few guys, could be a kind of compliment to point out the fact that you are beautifull, and thus that it is surprising that you were not intimate with more men (since a beautifull woman is supposed to be wooed by a lot of men). So, I think that it was a kind of compliment (since french people are used making some in that way, but I don't know this man to say I am sure it is one, but for me, it really sounds to be a compliment, nothing else)
" Do the French assume that because a couple goes out on a few dates that they're together? "
I may answer "yes" but once again it depends on your frenchman and his age, since some young men are rather quite direct, and others are more romantic and do not tell explicitly something to officialize this relationship. The thing that generally officializes a relationship (=love affair) in France is a kiss (on the mouth of course, but you may have understood :) ) and not really words = the french romantic conception of love : kisses are the best proof of love, and for us it is better than words.
So, if you've been dating a Frenchman for two months, and if a love affair has started (I mean kisses and maybe other things, since you do not mention if you're still just friends, close friends or more than that) I may say that you are a couple, and for a french person it is enough to think it is "official". It is my point of view, because french people are often less explicit than americans, since they would think that being too explicit by talking directly about love as a common matter, would destroy the magical aspect of love.
But it is the general thinking about love and exceptions are possible.
"I've tried talking to him about these sort of things but he thought it was too early to discuss a relationship"
Nonetheless, french people needs time to be sure of their feelings, that is certainly why he thinks it is too early to discuss a relationship. Indded, in France we often need time to be sure of our feelings and to be confident enough in the woman we love, to be sure that she is really in love with us (it is difficult for a man to engage himself in a love relationship when it is a serious one)
But, do not imagine that all men are like this, some just think about sex and would pretend to be in love just to make love.And sometimes some are reluctant to engage only because they are married !!
So, that depends on your frenchman, but generally french men are reluctant to engage either because they want to be absolutly sure of their feelings and of the feelings of their beloved for them , or because sex is their only goal.
In your case, I may say that he really loves you, and thinks your relationship is official (several dates, 2 months that you have dates = it shows he is really interested in you), but he just needs time to be really sure of his feelings and of yours.If you are sure he is honest with you, I think your relationship is official (words are not necessary for french people)
I hope I have answered your question. If not, or if you need more information do not hesitate i'll be pleased to help you ,even if (I repeat it again sorry!) I am not an expert in love affairs, but I can give you my point of view of french man.
Bye
Pat
Bonjour! Comment ca va ?
Merci for telling me my french was good.
About names: some of the ones you mentioned are used here like:
Matthieu-here it's Matthew,Nicolas= Nicholas or Nick, Sebastien= Sebastian,Paul, Frederick,Georges= George?,Christophe=Christopher,Louis= lewis?,Thomas, Benjamin
girls: Marie or Maria,Catherine or Katherine,Noémie=Noemi(mimi for short),Nathalie=Natalie,Sylvie=Sylvia?,Evelyne,Laura,Emamnuelle is for boys usually here.Simone, Stephanie,Audrey, Vanessa, Julie.
Popular names here for boys: Jacob,Michael,Joshua,Christopher,Andrew, Daniel, Anthony,William,Ryan,David,James,John,Jonathan,Benjamin,Gabriel,Kevin,Anjel,Robert,Jose,Juan,Lucas,Brian,Nathaniel,Carlos,Alex.
For girls:Emily,Ana,Olivia,Samantha,Ashley,Elizabeth,Alexis,Natalie,Lauren,Jessica,Jasmine,Jacqueline,Alexandar,Catherine,Jeniffer, Megan,Michelle,Vanessa,Diana,Amanda.
Common family names or what we call last names are: Garcia, Gonzalez, Martinez,Johnson,Williams,Jones, Brown,Davis, Moore,Anderson,Rodrigues,Lewis,Young,Hernandez,Lopez,Perez,Campbell,Sanchez..
About the not showering...
I was talking to my teacher and she was telling me she had gone to Paris and that she went to the hotel and she had to ask for a shower because she said the people in France don't shower evryday. Also, I had been on the internet looking up stereotypes and I saw one that said french people don't shower everyday and someone on the wbesite explained they don't but something like that cities now follow American customs and shower everyday. something like that...That's why I was asking if it was true. Somewhere I read that some soldiers from a war years ago had reported that french woman smelled and weren't well groomed so maybe that's how it started. I don't know.
About the pictures...
Wow! our freeway is realy nearby.
Where you live, It's not like a city? What are the streets like?
Any pictures that show what France is like will do. You live around castles? You live near old churches and monuments?
About the work thing, My teacher told me that, but I really don't know how she knows.I don't know how much vacation time people take off at work because I'm not old enough to work. But there are days off for people who work in government jobs like banks and schools.Also Christmas and Thanksiving are hvacation for most people but not all, For example, my mom works as a nurse so on Christmas she did have to go to work. Some holidays like Memorial day, only schools and banks and others take that day off.
Yeah, I would like to talk about school, or if you work, what do you work in or what is it like in your job?
a tout a l'heure,
Karen
Thanks a lot Pat your response really helped.
I do have another question regarding dating. I've noticed that the French guy I'm dating is a bit worried/hesitant to want to meet my family and friends. I understand why he may not want to meet my family, but what's wrong with going out with my friends? I've already met one of his friends, I don't see why he doesn't want to meet mine. I was thinking that in France meeting friends and family may be part of a more serious relationship and since ours is not that serious yet he doesn't want to take that step?
Also, judging from what you responded with in your last message I can safely say that he does think we're a couple. In that case, how do couples in France behave differently from American couples? For instance, I've noticed that we don't really talk too much on days that we don't see each other. Last time I saw him was on Saturday and he hasn't called me or anything since then! Is that normal? I called him today and we talked for a little bit and it seemed everything was fine. Are there certain "rules" in France regarding dating that are different than in the US?
Anyway, sorry to bother you with all of these questions! Thank you so much and have a great day!
Hi Dia !
In France, it is true that when you introduce your boyfriend or girlfriend to your family, it does mean that your relationship is a serious one. But concerning your friends it depends on your beloved's caracter, because from some people it is not that way important, while others are reluctant to meet their boyfriend/girlfriend's friends, because it could mean that your remationship is becoming serious, but also because he wants to keep you just for himself, and meeting your friend would mean to "share " you in a certain way. And, as it seems your relationship is quite recent, I think that he prefers being only with you rather than with your friends, because he is interested in you and not yet in your friends.
Another reason could also be the fact that he is a frenchman in a foreign country, and he has to get used to american people, their way of being and thinking, so he may be feared to meet too much people, and have the feeling he does not understand what they are saying ("they are maybe making fun of me and I do not understand", could be what he could think) or many other things like this. It could thus be difficult to face people your beloved like while you could dislike them.
Thus, I think that in your case he prefers being with you and getting used being with you rather than being confronted to people he is not used understanding yet.
Concerning dating, usually people like being with their boy/girlfriend, some cannot stop phoning them and sharing time together. In France it is more often girls who phone their boyfriend than the contrary. In your case, I do not know if he can easily come to see you, since he could have come earlier (if you are waiting since saturday). If he cannot (work a lot, far from you...) I don't think the fact he does not call you or see you means a lot of things, he is maybe and simply a shy man!!
But as I told you some men in France do not call very often their girlfriend, but they are pleased when she calls. ( they "prefer" waiting their girlfriend to phone rather than phoning themselves, since it is well known that it is girls/women who like spending hours phoning their friends, and not men :)
I hope I answer you.
Have a nice day
bye
Pat
Thanks a lot Pat! I think you've answered all my dating questions! Are you on facebook by the way? -dia-
Hi Dia !
I am glad if I've answered your dating questions ! But I am sorry, I do not know what you mean when you deal with "facebook" = I do not know this word and I do not know what it means.
I've looked for "facebook" in dictionnaries but I did not find it, and then I've looked on the net and I found it was a kind of website connecting people together : "Facebook is a social utility that connects you with the people around you."
If you talked about that, I can just answer that I am not on Facebook, and I even not knew this website (it is maybe a shame ?! so shame on me ! :) but I've never hear about this facebook, I do not think it is known in France )
Nonetheless I am really happy if I have helped you ;)
If you have other questions DO NOT HESITATE ;)
Have a very nice day !
Pat
Hi Karen,
Here is an article about the French it talks about BO:
http://www.frenchfriends.info/french/culture/stereotype/guide/1
Don't remember if my wife (Americain) or me (French) wrote it. It's pretty true and funny ;-)
Anyway, thanks everyone (Pat...) for participating. We have been busy (our first Franco-American baby) so we haven't updated the site, with new articles, in a little while.
Here is a site my wife made about our wedding (a few years back already!!). We went to France just for the wedding. Weddings are a lot funner in France, they go on until early morning the next day!
http://www.webpanache.com/wedding/
Again welcome everybody and keep the exchanges flowing!
Chris
Pat -
Bonjour, bonjour ! Merci beaucoup for sharing your stories, your opinions. I truly enjoy reading them!
It is funny that what you said a few posts back about never discussing money, not drawing attention to oneself - this is how I was raised! These are both in the worst of taste and display bad breeding. This

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